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Well done, Nikon. Yeah exactly my experience. Never been so pleased with a system in over 20 years of doing photography. The lenses is the biggest advantage of the Z system. Just phenomenal coherently performing lenses. Those thermal pads for the heat sink look very thick and of the cheap foam type. They could have used much higher performance thermal pads Even cheap laptop computers do it a lot better. Thermal design is a bit more complicated than that Joining the external fan club?

As if you can see any kind of thermal transfer or other characteristic from those photos Now if there was an actual problem, please let us know. And no, cheap laptops doesn’t do it better, even RTX cards have shit thermal pads from most manufacturers. Good thermal design doesn’t lead to overheating and shutdown. Poor thermal design leads to short recording times and thermal contamination of images. It looks like Nikon beats both Sony and Canon.

Here’s what we do know That’s all any user will care about. Thoughts R Us – “What is not relative is ultimate ruggedness and durability. This Z9 has it. MILCman: I still don’t see your structural engineering degree that suggest you have any credibility to comment on your perceived criticisms All I know is that there are several active forums for Z9 users and they almost unanimously love the camera.

And the camera remains still hard to find to this day. Thoughts R Us – you got nothing here, because there is no defending a weak lens mount that only has four screws that are threaded directly into the body casting. MILCman: funny how you started out criticizing the thermal design and when I called you put on that, you switched to your favorite argument on the lens mount.

Thoughts R Us – you didn’t call anyone out on anything, because you can’t argue with the fact that the a1 has better watt-hour battery life.

A common definition of quality to “To specification”. The pads seem to perform – therefore there seems to be nothing to complain about. The Nikon F-mount had a smaller diameter, and 5 screws.

Starting to see a pattern here? Nikon, on the other hand, seems to screw the ring directly into the frame. MILCman You were talking about the number of screws. Not saying what they wrote is wrong. Congratulations, you can count screws. Your comments on the structural integrity of the Z lens mount is idle speculation.

I’ve yet to see a complaint online in any forum of a failed Z lens mount on any Nikon camera from the Z 50 to the Z 9. PRO bodies are big and heavy and they are build like a tank. However, it looks like the problem is that the screws are just screwed into the magnesium alloy body, and evidently, the material failed to take the strain and broke apart, causing the screws to rip free.

Additionally, with some cameras, e. See Milling’s post above. And it is a very easy job, after all, Nikon has so many short comings ;-. I see what you did there. But that won’t diminish my tongue-in-cheek comment about “sony fans”. Many people wonder.

The comment of whitelens is without a single bit of information. And then, every well designed mount has a designed point of failure in order to protect the camera body against unrepairable deformation or fracture.

In the case of Nikon, it’s the four screws, fortunately, as they are easily replaced. The original article’s author has no clue what he is talking about. The art is to use screws which are both robust enough and fail easily enough. Did anybody investigate this delicate balance? There are millions of examples in millions of products where a more simple solution is the better one all things considered.

There is simply zero ground for making the comments you are making except your willingness to paint Nikon in poor light. I comment because Nikon and reviewers make unsupported claims without backing it up, then after a teardown it shows the claims where not true….

If the camera was dropped with the lens attached and it hit concrete near the front of the lens, that’s an awful lot of torque on the mount.

And by the way, on the matter of “cheaper to replace the lens”: if that’s the lens I think it is, it actually costs MORE than the Z9. And most lenses are cheaper to replace then cameras only the large tele primes are the exception.

Now go and direct your company and take some pictures with your Fujifilm FinePix Sfs. Thank you very much for this article, I always wanted to know what the inside of a Z9 looked like. About right that this gets dozens of comments and loads of irate techie guys fighting over brand components, screws and heat sinks.

While an award winning photo post gets maybe 6 comments. A lot of blokes are into photography for the gear and tech, not the output. You are on a GEAR site. Not a photography site. Maybe that explains your confusion about the commentators.

K27 – true, but my point still holds. Most people who comment on this site are far more interested in the tech side of cameras than the image side and I suspect they wouldn’t know a decent photo if it hit them in the face, but can talk knowledgeably about the number of screws in various lens mounts For me personally, I think the cameras we have today far exceed the needs of most people who use them, but I sti like seeing how much further we can push the technology.

What gearheads often miss are the intangibles in photos, the emotion that an image elicits as opposed to how many mp’s it has or how sharp it is. For me photography is first and foremost about that and what camera was used is incidental. They are two seperate hobbies and neither is better than the other. Many people enjoy both, some just one of them.

But that doesn’t mean one of them is not valid as a hobby. Gear and tech blokes are pressing many buttons on their keyboard, while photographers are pressing few buttons on their camera’s. It’s basically the same thing. Maybe that explains your confusion about the commentators”. Video: In Nikon Z Kolari made several comments about the mount being a weak compromised design. Not what one would expect in a flagship professional camera. The screws didn’t shear, the area around the tapped holes on the front plate cracked.

The repair in this case would be quite expensive requiring a replacement of the front plate. But the lens looks intact, so most likely the mount was designed as breaking point to prevent even worse damage. Remember reading somewhere the quote for the repair, and it was not too high after all IMO.

Well when more people drop their Z9s or found with cracked mounts then it would be more apparent if it is a liability I guess.

Camera’s are not designed to be hammers or to be sat on. There are other tools for that. Unbreakable mount would transfer the energy to somewhere else. So fewer screws is somehow better? I would prefer more screws so this happened less often. And when this does happen, there is a very good chance that either the lens, the camera, or possibly both are going to be dropped onto the ground. And that could be a very expensive repair.

Quotes From The Article: With some cameras, e. If the Z9 had that additional inner ring, it might have taken the strain better and reduced the damage, and we may have been able to repair it by replacing that part. However, in this case, it looks like the only way to fix that would be to replace the whole front panel.

We will indeed have to see. These constructions usually have points which are supposed to break in order to facilitate a less intrusive repair. Exactly, and what does the seconday plate help, if it will be ripped off anyway?

It has to be connected somehow to the body anyway. As said, the quote for repair was not actually that high, and could have been worse. This article has been already quoted several times by Sonny fanboys trying to attack Nikon, and Dystopia seems to be following the agenda ;. DarkShift: Now you are trolling – saying stuff to provoke an argument.

Your post has been reported to the moderators. Lenses don’t come off by itself like that. There has already been some substantial force to the mount, and the tearing seem to be very clean. Front plate of the camera is cheaper than the lens that was attached to it Z 2. You obviosly haven’t been following some other threads here about this finding number of screws in the lens mount.

It seems to be latest revelation that some Sony users are using to target Z9 – they seem to have run out ideas :D. Here’s a youtube video of an R3 mounted on a drone chasing a race car. The drone crashed and the R3 takes a tumble.

The lens mount was still attached to the body, but the rest of the lens sheared off. They switched lenses and kept going with the R3. It looked like it broke that way to minimize the repair. I’m sure it is best that the body was still working and the lens only needed a new mount. Kona Mike, one could argue they could keep spare bodies instead of lenses if the cameras were getting busted.

TRU is sulking because canon added that feature he had been bashing for years to his R5 via firmware last week. That is the ability to set a high temperature overheat threshold. The same can happen to the sensor assembly, too, which also needs to be calibrated.

My guess is that Nikon simplified the bayonet mount assembly as much as they could. So, some costs had to be cut. DarkShift, yea, I’m sure with an impact strong enough to break a lens off the preferred outcome is that your camera has the front ripped off. What happens to the lens? I’m sure it will be perfect after that impact, you know with all that precision glass in it.

Yea, make any excuse you want and tell your self anything to feel good. Just remember the lens is going to have problems after that impact, so why should the body too? It is a weak mount, get over it. I’m sure they will beef it up for the next pro body, get over it and move on. I won’t get baited into the argument re Canon cameras that Mike alluded to, as this is an article on Nikon. Re the Z9 and what is being discussed in this particular thread, I’m not a structural engineer and so won’t comment on something technical outside of my expertise.

The only fact that I know is that the Z9 is being used by professionals in many demanding situations and seems to be holding up very well. There are no actual user complaints.

We see on these forums all sorts of criticisms based on theory, sometimes flawed theory by people commenting who don’t know the subject well enough , but I worry when we get to actual user complaints.

Price for repair was usd even it was “just” the clean broken lens mount of a usd lens. Repair estimate for the Z9 was bit, but not too much higher, assuming it was the “whole front panel”. Again, it amazes me how much evergy the Sony cult uses for Z9 mount properties and its screw count. Maybe take your Sony out, and shoot some photos? The Z9 is in the field 7 months and many are still waiting for deliveries.

How can you claim no user complaints? DarkShift, you can’t say the body repair cost is just a little more than the lens only repair cost. The lens will most likely need repaired too when the front of the camera rips off. That in total will be way more expensive than just a lens repair. Read the comments from your link, the person that “dropped my Nikon D” seems to agree with me. It is a part that can be replaced but will add to the cost.

Your lens is likely damaged too. I’ve had all of the above fixed on D4 and 2. Front element and VR unit needed to be replaced. It was evident shooting a brick wall. So without a shred of evidence, we are expected to believe Nikon cleverly engineered a specific break point for their pro camera? Never mind that this will result in the lens being dropped and further damaged Hey, maybe it’s a designed to generate more income through increased number of repairs? I don’t recall seeing anything in their marketing literature or in test reviews describing this novel strategy.

I doubt anyone would want to hold these models with the newer telephotos attached but with the Z9? It’s the flagship model, it’s heavier, bigger and considered to be “tougher” than the other models. It is also unreasonable to expect it to be better at handling knocks? It must be tough on you having to worry for so long about what I posted and just itching to try to get some sort of comeback at me, even months or years after I posted.

That’s a lot of emotional baggage to carry But hey, it’s your life and your stress levels. But I would advise you to let go and be at greater peace within yourself. Actually you parroted these argument so often it becomes hard to forget. So when I read an article and they say the R5 added an over temp threshold option all of your repeated over and over posts are very very easy to recall.

But yeah, you are over the top, so here we are. I am not stressed about it at all. There are a lot of over the top commenters on this site and I don’t really give it a second thought or have it burned in my memory.

Thoughts R Us I am sure that the Z9 will be fine for professional use. It is just worth noticing that the Z9 seems to be the weakest of the bunch where interchangeable lens systems are the most delicate and most likely to break. Making the Z9 also by far the heaviest does not help on impact. I hope this should put a final word on all your “truck and racecar” theory. At least I hope it will for the sake of healthy and unbiased discourse. More space makes it easier to service, hybrids, phones and all things intended to be as small as possible, a PITA.

I can’t imagine riding in a bus that had no open space, but sardines know exactly how that would feel. Not a bus but try a train the day before Christmas, then you will know how sardines feels. I do not know why I read “sensor” rather than “chip” Maybe because we are on a photography site? Or because the number of labs that know how to make a sensor are less numerous than labs that know how to make processors, RAMs and glue logic? Not sure there’s much reason to replace ‘generic chips’ with counterfeit ones.

That’s the only way to be sure it meets spec. You must not be deployed in the purchase department of said camera manufacturer or worse, the purchase department of the circuit supplyer If they’re spec’d in there by the mfg, I wouldn’t call them counterfeit by definition. Hopefully,they reassembled everything and sold it as good as new. PLshutterbug Send them one of the surface mount components each. Eventually they’ll have enough to put together a Z9 of their own!

I think the idea that two ribbons carry data to separate components on the board is the explanation. Anyway curious about the actual chip architecture here. It’s the part where they say there are two sets of ribbons from the sensor, one to the displays and another to the memory card I imagine through the buffer memory actually. I guess that’s opposed to one set having to stop sending a signal to the displays while writing to memory. Other’s will correct what I’ve gotten wrong I’m sure.

Sony had blackout free shooting since It just shows two ribbon cables instead of the traditional single ribbon cable. That show exactly nothing. Obviously, the sensor is driven by one chip and generates one output.

You can then split it up. But this article neither explains how it is done, why it is done, and what benefits that would bring. Well we all know the EVF data is partially read. Once you get the data out of the relevant pixels, they are free to be exposed again and generate the EVF stream. And then comes the problem of getting the EVF data out while the previous full-pixel picture is still transferring.

It would be a timing nightmare if the two fight for a single data stream, and Nikon solved this problem by not tackling it at all – a true Nikon-fashion.

You say the EVF feed is a separate readout. So why not just feed those bits to the EVF during that readout? And then when the image data for the capture is being read-out, just feed that data to the memory? If these tasks are happening serially the timing is quite easy. Still panther is right. The presence of two ribbon cables tells us nothing. That honestly makes no sense. All the logic that decides what is read out when is already on the sensor. The article is poorly written. I’m fairly sure, one of the cables are for data use in connection with the IBIS.

As I understand, The Sensor in the Z 9 sends two image data streams to the Exspeed 7 image processor, using one cable. The Exspeed 7 then proces both set of data simultaneously and then send the data from one stream to the memory card and the data from the other stream to the EVF. This is the true clever bit of the Nikon Z 9. Its image processor is set up to handle two image data streams simultaneously. As the Z 9s EVF is a minor 3.

This is not how it works at all. For standard 60FPS viewfinder viewing the sensor has specialized readout modes that readout a reduced number of pixels at much higher frame rates. Check out some of the Sony image sensor datasheets. MikeRan “No. For standard 60FPS viewfinder viewing the sensor has specialized readout modes that readout a reduced number of pixels at much higher frame rates Fair enough, but they still have one processor that has to coordinate image data calculation and sending data to the memory card and sending data to the EVF, all in a sequentially order.

On a slow readout camera, you might have an EVF with a 60fps refresh rate, but that does not mean the EVF get data from the processor 60 times a second, as the processor is occupied with more important things, hence the blackouts, skipped frames etc. The Z 9 my understanding has a dedicated part of its image processor working “only” with the EVF data and another part working “only” with Image data. Maybe it is even a dual-core processor, but the EVF stream never gets interrupted by a bottleneck in the image stream.

Perhaps the two ribbons provide identical data to two separate areas for parallel processing. One takes care of image processing and storage, the other focuses on processing what you actually see? Maybe there is a blackout internally, but not from what you are shown in viewfinder? HJVN the A9 has had blackout free shooting since Sony never mentioned anything like dual stream feed to support live view before, but they still achieved blackout free shooting more than 5 years ago.

Also one processor likely has multiple cores, so processing happens in parallel on most modern CPUs. Anyway, we are all just speculating here without more specifics. Cool, high end tech! You guys are drinking the marketing cool aid.

And blackout free shooting exists on 4 other camera models without this marketing…. MikeRan You really goes on about those Sonys, don’t you. In every post it’s Sony this, Sony that. Maybe they Sony have a much faster processor. Maybe they do use a dual stream technology but just don’t advertise it, or maybe the EVF on the A9 is not what it is cracked up to be. I don’t know and I don’t care. Stop sounding like a disgrunted fan boy. Now you made me sound like one.

The nightmare is not arranging for the prioritized pixels, but getting them to send a second frame proper when the rest of the sensor is still busy. The A9 and A1 blackout free shooting is seamless looking at higher shutter speeds. At very low shutter speeds there are actual frames mixed in as it seems there would have to be.

Both the Z9 and A1 electronic shutter read out in about 4ms, that’s why they can be shutterless. So you can squeeze the full readout in between “no problem”. Also Sony is very open about the way they do blackout free shooting in their marketing material. Updating AF calculations etc And with the newest firmware of the Canon R3 you know exactly what in theory is possible.

They can pull the entire sensor at FPS. This gives a fast-enough refresh when you’re trying to follow your subject then slows back down to your chosen shutter speed and blacks-out the finder when you take your shot. That’s because the Sony drops in resolution while you’re focusing, regardless of what your display quality settings are. And when you’ve stopped focusing, the resolution rises again and the sensor stabilizer seems to hiccup and do a bit of a reset. With the Z9, what you see when you first look through it is what you get.

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I have done some outdoor shooting with this lens, and have received some real sharp images and pretty ok sort of bokeh, well I never expected to have any bokeh from this lens in the first place. You must learn, how to use your camera and lenses first, before speaking about it. Aridom, I agree. I found myself shooting with my kit lens a lot last week when I was walking around with my daughter and month-old grandson. I was shooting in restaurants and stores as well as backyards in shade, on playgrounds etc.

It is not quite as sharp as my great legacy primes – but shockingly close, given its price. DxO doesn’t get it always right, but they did on the , even though they mounted it on the not-recommended-by-Sony A7r. It’s a vastly better lens than its critics claim, and as DxO noted, arguably a vastly better buy than the pseudo-Zeiss. I am alternating between my old Hexanon AR 50mm legacy prime lens and the Sony kit lens. Love the perfect IQ delivered by the Hexanon takes me back 38 years!

I have been looking for a full format camera with a tiltable screen that’s in my budget for a long time as tripods don’t come up to my eye line. I was hoping this to be it but although the spec sheet says RAW is uncompressed format the conclusion says RAW is compressed and lossy. I’m not sure I like lossy RAW files in case one needs or wants to re edit them etc. Could this be Sony’s way of helping to differentiate between this and their other more expensive cameras.

I wonder if the A7R does the same. Need some serious advice Since the kit relatively small in relation to other FF zooms, how poor or good is its IQ? Would a better aps-c zoom on a have just as good print quality as on a7? I agree, Marc. People have gushed all over the because it costs x the kit lens, but still needs to be stopped down and limited to a mm range to perceptibly demonstrate superiority to the kit lens.

The kit has a plastic mount, which makes it lighter and probably more rugged than the metal , too. I have a 24mm Canon FDn f2 that – wide open – blows the doors off any at 24mm at any aperture. Marc and mel, thanks. An additional question Exposures made only on sturdy tripod, approx. No, the difference is not likely to be visible without serious cropping.

One of great “chicken little” issues in the history of optics. There is no “proofing” against stupid camera handling. Ok, regarding the posterization I’ve downloaded the arw and the uncompressed nef page 13 of the review, bottom and put them in lr 5.

At each file there is a loading time where you can see the posterization effect in both. After loading there is no posterization. So, my opinion is that dpreview was using an older lr. I use a calibrated Dell Ultrasharp U P.

Because the issue your link is talking about is completely pointless. Absolutely doesn’t effect the usage of the camera. Here how you can meter the exposure yourself, if the screen is pitch black you are way under exposed. Of it is completely white, you are way over exposed. Not for street shooting or any fast moving situation.

Focusing is horrid to non-existent if you want to capture the moment. After spending two weeks street shooting for the most part – all things considered you need to be on a tripod or to have lots of time to focus first. So forget capturing a “moment” that is fleeting. There are still many features that are just plain wrongly done or not thought thru from the standpoint of real world usage.

The a7 is better from many standpoints but still lacks the focusing capability of even a low end DSLR. Very disappointed. Sony just can’t get this line of cameras up to professional standards yet. Too bad. Would love to see them really make a full-frame mirrorless light weight camera be worth the money. But then their lens choices are just weird. What is the world are they thinking. I don’t want to put a 2 pound lens on this camera.

That totally defeats the go lighter mantra. Went street shooting with a group last night with the kit lens. It was fantastic. Yep, with the kit lens! I did not use a tripod. Focusing was dead easy if you know what you’re doing.

If the kit lens can perform as well it did at night, then I have no worries at all about what the FE 35mm can do. I always wonder what kind of seriously weird lighting people must be shooting under when they complain the A7 is slow to focus. Sure, it’s not D4 fast but it is not miss-your-shot slow either.

It’s far better than any of the previous NEXes, and practically instant in daylight. I didn’t know my zeiss 35mm was 2 pounds.

Certainly doesn’t feel like it. I think Charles comments are just wildly exaggerated. I was taking pics of my daughters on swings yesterday and it tracked them fine. I don’t see any difference from my nex6 and my a7 when it comes to focusing. Briefly tried hands-on in Sony store.

I Liked the compact size and light weight, still being a FF. Overall spec is worth drooling over Maybe I am spoiled by K-5II Loving the reviews and specs. My only concern is the focus hunting I’d love to be able to shoot selfie-interviews without worrying about this problem.

Has anyone crafted an electronic focus limiter for these cameras? Even if it’s a really binary, crude setup like the old school lenses with a switch? Wouldn’t this help a lot? I’ve had the A7 since January. I finally popped for the A7 and I love it! It’s going to be my new wedding, portraiture and fine-art camera. Looking forward to getting the battery grip and some fast Zeiss glass for it in the future. This cameral fills the bill for me. Light, compact and full frame.

I think it’s the future of cameras. When for example dialing a larger aperture, the camera will only increase shutter speed, it will not reduce ISO.

Sony needs to fix this ASAP with a firmware update! I have this working perfectly with every other camera even my compact cameras RX and Canon S95 can do this perfectly right, not to mention all my DSLRs. I don’t expect to see this sort of cock ups on a camera of this level. AutoISO is one of the very best features of modern digital cameras, but somehow Sony was able to mess it up here, even though they get it right for compacts.

I’ve put it on auto ISO and shutter priority, and yes, it does start of on f4. But a bit of moving around eg. Aperture priority when raised to the max produces a lower shutter speed. Doesn’t really bother me. Switch to manual. I’m glad your having fun, but it doesn’t change the fact that Auto ISO on this camera doesn’t work at all as it should.

I think Sony should allow allow the user to set the min. And Max settings for aperture and shutter speed during these auto modes. Them trying to predict what people want doesn’t work. There anything wrong with that it just shows that we all have different needs. I think must people would want max aperture speed to match the lens attached.

So a firmware update where people can customize these settings would be great. For now if I want the max aperture I shoot in manual mode or aperture priority mode. I remember my little nikon E? Wonderful apeture priority body, even accepted pro f lenses. Soooo much fun to find a dark scene at night, set it at f22, focus, on tripod, hit the shutter, and maybe an hour later Nikon still says that camera cannot shutter past one second.

Anyway, don’t use auto iso, put on apeture priority, set iso in safe range for available light Lots of fun. I am considering purchasing my first full frame camera and like what the A7 kit has to offer in size, Raw photos, HD videos, Wifi and price.

I am however concerned about the reviewers comments about the disappointment in JPEG photo quality. In looking at the sample JPEG photos illustrated, as an armature photographer, they look very good to me compared to what I am used to. I have had my a7 since the beginning of December. I shoot in both Jpg and raw.

I shoot jpg day to day of my kids, family, and casual stuff. I got tired of always shooting raw and having to process photos that I was just gonna share on Facebook or with family and friends. So I shoot raw for paid work or shots that are really important to me. That all. Being said, the Jpgs out of the camera work great and look nice. Dpreview comments on the jpg output was mostly regarding the higher iso noise reduction.

If you reduce the in camera noise reduction you will get a much better Jpg at higher iso settings. So far I have zero issues with the Jpg output on my a7 although raw is gonna get you better results as usual.