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I think this is wise. We’ll probably still have to expose finer controls for these things somewhere, but I don’t see a need for regular users to know what either Zerberus or Fluid is. As for the idea of having different synths on different instruments – this is possible with VST’s when you have an audio engine with channels but I’m not sure about SoundFonts. If not, them this will obviously need to be tweaked. In reply to Yes. I think this is wise… by Tantacrul.

Makes a lot of sense to me. As for finer details i belive both support reverb and chorus, but i understand not wanting to clutter the interface. With soundfonts, im sure some clever programmer will correct me, but i suppose you can go crazy and have diffrent synths with different fonts by having as many instances as you want.

One thing, I regularly miss with actual mixer is, that it doesn’t seems to follow the rules of other window views like inspector, play panel and so on concerning the integration of the view, see for example Mixer: size issues and other issues about the size integration.

Edit: Well, add channels with routing and automation and we have ourselves a whole DAW. Which would be amazing. I really like it! The colors and the interface in general is so nice! The integrated effects in the mixer for easy access is really good too! A suggestion: Instead of the ‘Show less’ and ‘Show More’ buttons, why not something like the icons on Ableton Live Mixer where you can turn on or off different sections of the mixer?

In reply to I really like it! The colors… by Dexter Bass. Probably a wise idea. The more I think about it, the more I feel that ‘show more’ will bug people. In reply to Probably a wide idea. The… by Tantacrul. Studio One have something like the ‘show more’ button, but the mixer only have 2 states: ‘All options’ or ‘few options’. If I did not misunderstand, in your design, the ‘show more’ button will have various states until to reach the ‘All options’. Maybe that is not very comfortable.

In reply to Depends. Studio One have… by Dexter Bass. You understand exactly what I was thinking. There are some apps that do it but I think it might be a bit painful in this instance. The pro argument is that the interface is much simpler that way. The con is that users might end up with lots of settings they don’t care about :. In reply to You understand exactly what… by Tantacrul.

It’s more easy to understand just like that. I like the Ableton Live approach, but is not that easy to understand at first look. I like the idea! I also like the idea of a scale that gets smaller towards the bottom so that the volume can be fine-tuned towards the top. I would also like to see the colors of the instruments below being individually adjustable. I would also like to see a bit more detail in the sliders and maybe also in the knobs – not so simple, but other users might have a different opinion.

I don’t want to be misunderstood here, I really only mean more details at the two – slider and knob. Like in the picture below maybe. I just noticed that the volume “0” value isn’t at top. Is this on purpose? I like it when it is on purpose! Why does the clarinet in the second last picture have 8 voices? A function that I do not know yet? In reply to Amazing!

I… by MaBlo. That was actually meant to be for the Piano but I changed the instrument order around so they wouldn’t feel disordered and completely forgot to change the voices with them :. You know there’s a time limit on editing these posts? I think I need special privileges, so I can correct that mistake!

Regarding volume settings. I’m just going on the standard for DAW’s. If you went above this level, you would be ‘pushing’ it. Obviously this is a useful concept, because it doesn’t force users to have to decrease the sound of everything in order to bump the sound of one thing although that is a better practice. This will all get refined as we figure out the engine itself. Regarding the style of the controls. I’m flirting with a more modern approach across the app.

Nothing is nailed down yet and I don’t have anything against Skeuomorphic controls in principle. In reply to Ah!

That… by Tantacrul. Ah, that sounds good! I didn’t know the time limit either, I just read it in the MuseScore design group.

I am really excited to see what the V2 mixer will look like. Maybe you could also think about instrument groups. I don’t know how many other users would like it, but for my work with MuseScore this would be an advantage, for example to make all strings quieter or all brass louder at the same time.

Interesting idea. Seeing Musescore improve so quickly. I wish I could contribute in creating some “improved” sounds for the instruments when I mean improved I mean a bit more realisitic and not so instense vibrato in winds and bowed s. Well that will probably never happen hehe Alright end of my story. Also, thank you – MuseScore has developed so much since you started helping out! In reply to Please could you consider… by markthemooste1. In reply to This all sounds really good… by mark Essentially, this will be an easier app to use than the existing version.

If you don’t use the mixer now, it will not be forced upon you. If you do use the mixer, the default version will be shorter and better integrated into the UI. For those who want more technicality, it’s available to them. Absolutely agree that the inclusion of new features needs to be done in a way that doesn’t overwhelm people who just want to write some notes on a score.

Brilliant stuff, I’m hyped! I just wanted to ask if we’ll see beta versions of the audio engine in Musescore 3 or is it being developed entirely with the new UI elements for Musescore 4. Since the audio engine is the biggest thing that bugs me about Musescore at the moment I’m veeery exited about this.

This looks great! One thing that has always bugged me about the mixer is instrument selection. When you go to pick an instrument from the soundfont you get every possible choice for however many soundfonts you have active.

Is it possible to have a division by soundfont or by instrument type like how instruments are added to the score? It’s a little thing but I think it would make a lot of lives just a bit easier.

In reply to This looks great! One thing… by therealpaulebutts. I couldn’t agree more. It’s rather annoying to activate a new soundfont and have little to no idea which sounds come from which soundfonts. Maybe there would be a few notches on the slider so each level of additional options would be a fixed setting. In any case, it would give immediate feedback as to how MUCH less or more options there are to display.

It’s not possible to know that if you incrementally have to keep hitting the Show More button but a slider could indicate this easily. Just a thought!

I think there must be the possibility to say exactly which areas I want to show. Just more or less could show a lot of unnecessary modules that I don’t want to see at the moment or don’t want to see in general. For example just the panning or just the MIDI options without everything in between.

Your caps-lock key is stuck, get it fixed, now. In reply to Your caps-lock key is stuck,… by Jojo-Schmitz. Number 1, I purposely typed it all caps. And 2, I didn’t even know this was for the mixer, why a thread for just one specific thing? In reply to Number 1, I purposely typed… by David J. Number 1, that doesn’t make it better at all, why are you shouting at us then? Number 2 why don’t you just read the title and initial article of this thread? What do you think why do threads do have a topic?

In reply to from the Mixer? In reply to this post is about the mixer… by pere. In reply to The plug didn’t work, it was… by David J. Feel free to open up a new topic where you post your issues with the plugin. It is working for a few thousand people across all MuseScore supported platforms, so perhaps we can figure out why it doesn’t for you. In reply to Feel free to open up a new… by jeetee. Love this idea, but it seems a bit large and covers up a lot of the score. This is my mixer idea for a compressed mixer view.

It is pretty basic, and also not the most pleasing thing to look at since it was just a quick photoshop, however I think the idea gets across. The volume sliders would be the things compressed or expanded when resizing vertically. Right clicking could also bring up options or if there aren’t options, just automatically open an option to type the value.

In reply to This is my mixer idea for a… by mandoiu. I believe it’s not much different than the mixer with the score above it. It’s just more compressed and surely not aesthetically nice but yes that was quickly made. Will there be a way to open mixer through a keyboard button instead of hovering the mouse over the button to open it? Just asking because for some it might be tiring. There should eventually be hotkeys for everything. At the moment, it’s F I’d prefer to promote that to a key that isn’t potentially taken over by the OS.

There should eventually… by Tantacrul. How about ‘M’ , also fits with ‘Mixer’ lol but I suppose it’s already used for something else In reply to Used for multimeasure rests by Jojo-Schmitz. Not necessarily in this instance. This is one telemetry might help a lot with.

In reply to Feels like a bit of a… by Tantacrul. In reply to Only that infos about those… by Jojo-Schmitz. To be clear: there already is a shortcut, F10, and you can reassign it if desired. I would be wary of a whole scale reassignment of all shortcuts, they are only “shortcut” because lots of us have memorized them.

But, shipping multiple sets you can easily switch between is something we’ve talked about and partially implemented, I’d be fine with a “legacy” set being continued to be provided if we did redo them. As mentioned, “M” is currently for multimeasure rests, but people hit it by mistake all the time, and realistically, one should only very rarely to toggle this manually since it is handled automatically when generating parts.

In reply to Still, hopefully we got a… by Marc Sabatella. I sometimes accidentally hit it when entering note input mode N. The first time that happened put me in a bit of a crisis Finale has this in their “Studio View”. It vertically scroll with the score.

However, they unnecessarily flip the volume slider from vertical to horizontal, even though it can clearly fit in the space they’ve allocated.

I don’t use Finale, so I can’t speak to how well this feature works in practice. Will it be the same with Musescore? It would be great if I could use only Musescore. This sounds fantastic. Even to be able to just get soundfonts and VSTs working with various articulations and set those up to be triggered appropriately would be a boon.

In reply to This sounds fantastic. It… by Kalzarius. In reply to For Mac also I think. Only… by MaBlo. Musescore 4 needs to allow users to work with the intricacies of composing for acoustic instruments.

There need to be strong support for automation to control VSTs, and a good way to control articulations and instrument changes. I’m not sure the way it’s done currently is the best way A while ago I requested a huge overhaul on bracket function that would include mixer groups. I don’t know that my suggestions will be implemented easier bracket placement, option to display system objects above top stave of certain brackets, mixer groups, etc. After all, brackets appear on the score for the sole purpose of organizing the staves for the ease of reading.

If they are meant to represent the organization of the staves to a real orchestra, would it not also makes sense for them to represent the organization of a virtual orchestra? Hi, and thanks already now for the great work the new palette is simply wonderful! About the vertical layout, I definitely prefer the horizontal layout for mixing. In reply to Hi, and thanks already now… by graphos. Suits me. I am trying to learn to use Cakewalk, but my Midi cable isn’t working and their staff view is terrible, so I have to try to use the piano roll.

It would just be easier if I could use Musescore. In reply to Suits me. It is what I have been using for a long time, and it is also open source.

In reply to I know that I am late but… by sr Hello I really like all the ideas about the new mixer. I choral music it is very common to have 2 or sometimes 3 voices in one line.

For practice it is extremely useful for the singer to make their voice stand out and have the other voices somewhere audible in the background.

I have worked around this for 5 years by duplicating the individual voices into separate lines and for practise – hide the individual lines but have them play and mute that compact choral lines. This is somewhat awkward to maintain, because every note appears twice. It would be awesome to include a new concept for this in 4. Many singers will highly appreciate. In reply to Hello I really like all the… by M. Thanks for the link.

I tried this way back with 2. I abandoned it then since the mobile app did not support the channels. This seems to be still valid. Also musescore. A desktop only solution is not working for the choir practise use-case. Opening the entire mixer window and scrolling around to find the track can be annoying when there are lots of instruments in the score. Some DAWs I’ve worked with Reaper and Ardour have an option to display a single mixer strip down the side of the screen.

This strip updates to show the controls for the last track that was selected. Would something like this be possible in Musescore? Or even if just clicking an instrument in the score will make the main mixer jump to that track would be helpful. I think that it would be really cool if there was an option to record each instrument part from a mic in the mixer.

My question is in regards to initial sound selection. Yes, I can push the first letter of the sound assuming I know what it is. Is it “H”, or “F”, or in one of my fonts “S” for solo horn? Strings are the worst. In other software, I select the sound button for a staff in the mixer and a window pops up with a list of basic sound groups. WW,Strings,Brass, Keyboards etc. If I select Strings I get a window that lists different string instrument groups.

Violin, viola,cello If I choose viola, I get a list of viola sounds. Much faster than scrolling through the entire list all the time. I suspect that if this were possible at all, that it would only be so for default fonts. But even so In reply to My question is in regards to… by bobjp.

You mean select the corresponding mixer box of an instrument so you can find it quickly? I had some ideas about this:. While keeping the mouse inside the mixer window, scroll to change “box”. When selecting a symbol note, rest, measure etc. Those are for faster navigation Now I want to also suggest something about muting and solo-ing lol That’s slow if you have a huge orchestra and want to mute half of the instruments More like parts.

Thus I have three solutions. I had suggested another one they said it’s similar to Sibelius but not sure if it has been scrapped Have a new mode for muting: A button in the mixer and perhaps a button when right clicking on the score area will allow to enter that mode.

When on that mode, all parts will be highlighted with green if not muted or red if so. Perhaps that’s too little for a mode but you might like that idea.

Meaning they won’t be with the other stuff. I think trying to be fast with the mixer isn’t possible now , at least for me. Actually I say that because it could get faster in my opinion. Well, we’ll see in the new update. Oh wait you talk about soundfonts My bad But still consider the above stuff I said. Selecting a sound for an instrument is also really slow What I would suggest is: Have a special window for changing sounds: it will look like the instruments window: the one side will show the available sounds with a search bar while the other will have the instruments in the score you are Below or next to their names will be the sound which the instrument currently has.

To change it simply just select a sound from the list and it will be seen next to the instrument name. If you want to go to the next instrument, simply,again, select the next instrument by either scrolling or clicking the area with its name on it. Having Musescore to automatically categorize the sounds seems to hard but perhaps possible? For now.. Not sure how I missed this post!

Then again, it seems you missed my own Mixer design proposal. In my design, Mixer controls are only displayed for one instrument at a time i. This makes my design much more compact than the “show everything” approach used in the current Mixer as well as in your proposal.

 
 

 

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